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The Bulwark Podcast

Bill Kristol: This Is So Third World

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, Society & Culture, News, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 August 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

The boss only wants to hear good news: that's the takeaway from Trump's high-profile firing over the weak job numbers. So if a government worker has something bad to report, they now know they'll have to lie to keep their jobs. And this isn't only about key information on the economy—it's also about hurricane forecasts, intel threats, and potential military mishaps. Meanwhile, the Texas redistricting stand-off is fraying the fabric of our democracy. Plus, Fox's own producers think Jeanine Pirro is a reckless maniac, direction from the top was the only way Ghislaine Maxwell could have been moved to a 'Club Fed' prison, and Democrats debate how much to work with Republicans who don't keep their word.

Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. It is Monday, August 4th, so we're here, of course, with Editor at Large Bill Crystal. How you doing? Fine, Tim. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm here in L.A. and a little programming reminder for everybody, we got that Bullwark takes feed that you should check out if things are happening. I was out here in L.A. on Friday. And I was over at the Ponsave America studio, and we did a pretty funny YouTube video about Candace Owens. People should check out when

0:59.5

all the breaking news was happening around the firing of the Commissioner of Labor Statistics.

1:03.7

So if that happens, where we get off scheduled on this podcast, you can check out that feed.

1:09.3

But I've so much more to talk about. So obviously

1:12.6

nobody's missed it at this point. But Trump ordered the firing of the commissioner of labor

1:18.2

statistics, essentially the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, hours after a government,

1:23.1

after her report, or the government report, rather, showed significant slowing in the economy

1:28.0

the past three months. He bleated that the jobs numbers were all caps rigged in order to make

1:35.4

the Republicans and all caps me look bad. And he attacked McIntyre personally. and she was dismissed from the role.

1:46.9

There are just so many layers to the story, and it's pretty alarming from an authoritarian

1:51.1

creep standpoint from a you can't believe your lying eyes when it comes to numbers,

1:56.0

and then, you know, the element of how having to lie about bad news is now your obligation if you want to remain

2:03.5

a Republican in good standing or a government worker. And then there's the actual economic numbers

2:07.9

themselves. So I kind of want to talk about the first part first. Your newsletter started with

2:12.2

Democracy Dies in Daylight this morning. Where's your alarm scale, I guess, following that firing? It's pretty high.

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