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So I think one will begin at least, and I spend most time on this very interesting, I think,

a discussion debate, which is happening on the Hill and which right now is a live debate on section 702 of, I'm sure what, it's section 72 of some piece of legislation. You short hand these things. Someone like me is not really an expert. And then you just, no, you know it's section 702. You're not quite sure. What is it section 702? But with respect to the foreign intelligence court and surveillance and it's been reauthorized in the past, and now there's an effort to insist on some reforms,

and maybe you should begin by, as you can tell,

that I'm not fully cognizant of all the complex cities here at the least.

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