Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

It is Monday, so I'm here with someone who did not go to Mar-a-Lago over the weekend to reopen communications with Donald Trump.

It's editor-at-large of the Bullwark Bill Crystal. Hey, Bill. And you didn't go either, Tim. You know editor at large of the Bullark Bill Crystal.

Hey, Bill.

And you didn't go either, Tim.

You know, I know we both got the invitations, and it was tough, right?

I mean, had to juggle other commitments I had here, you know.

I'm not really sure about that idea of opening communications with Trump with the value there.

But hey.

So what happened? Yeah, Joe and Mika went a day open morning, Joe this morning.

People can look at it online.

I'll link the explanation for why they went the value of opening communications back up

with Trump.

They became so much a part of the resistance over those, I guess, the last seven or eight

years.

But in 2015-16, they were pretty on the side of normalizing Trump. I'd say important, I mean, important, maybe too strong, somewhat important in

normalizing Trump among a certain set of people in New York and sort of business types

who watched Morning Joe.

We got in a very testy exchange.

I used to be a pretty regular guest on there in September, October, 2016, where I said

something like this. I mean, at that point, I think it were against Trump for president, October, 2016, where I said something like this. I mean, at that

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