All you need is certain pressures of mindless material entities that are competing in some ways,

that have some heredity, that have some variability, and presto changeo, you can get everything

that previously re-scribed to intelligence. So I think, you know, the most Darwinists, if you pressed them, would have to say that

natural selection is the designer substitute.

It's what does the work of intelligence, but without anything like a real metaphysical intelligence

as we've traditionally conceived it.

ID, The Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Well, chances are you're already familiar with specified complexity, one of the mathematical pillars

of the theory of intelligent design.

But there's another pillar that is much less well known, but I would say equally vital,

the law of conservation of information. Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermid.

Well, today I'm joined by mathematician and philosopher Dr. William Dembski. Dr. Dembski is a founding

and senior fellow with Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, and he's also a

distinguished fellow with the Institute's Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence.

He's a graduate of the University of Illinois at Chicago, where he earned a bachelor's in psychology and a doctorate in philosophy.

He also received a doctorate in mathematics from the University of Chicago in 1988 and a Master of Divinity degree from Princeton Theological Seminary in 1996.

He has held National Science Foundation graduate and postdoctoral fellowships. Dr. Dembski has published in the peer-reviewed mathematics, engineering, biology, philosophy, and theology literature. He is the author or editor of more than 25 books, most recently, and I hope you have this on your shelf or plan to, a brand new edition of

the design inference, co-authored with Winston Ewart. Well, Dr. Dembski, welcome back to ID

the Future. Always good to be with you, Andrew. Our conversation today centers on your recent

monograph on what you call nature's missing law, the law of conservation of information.

LCI, you sometimes refer to it for short.

Now, this concept can trace its lineage back to the 19th century with thinkers like Ada Lovelace,

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