I knew this is where comedy was.

Goney Carson changed my life twice.

It was just like a dream. It was just like everything I had worked for

and dreamed about has come to fruition.

They said Johnny fell overlapping.

It makes me so happy.

I made him laugh.

But with Johnny, you knew you knew you had a kid audience that you could really go great.

My wife at the curtain, all held real groups backstage.

People were running up and she said, go back out, go back out, oh my God.

Johnny wants you back.

I walked back through the curtain very calm and Johnny I took about

and Johnny put that little circle up myoff and I hope you are all safe and healthy.

Thank you to listener Richard Callico for his

help on one of the recent episodes. Moving on, our guest this week is the author of the New York Times best selling book, The Late Shift, Bill Carter.

His book of course was adapted as a film for HBO featuring actress Kathy Bates.

Bill is covered late night for the New York Times where he worked for 25 years.

He's also the author of The War for Late Night when Leno went early and television went crazy.

Bill Carter spoke to me from his home in New Jersey.

A few notes, one, Bill and I were chatting before the episode. I decided to keep some of that in the

podcast before I introduce him. Two, we do talk Carson, but it's most prevalent towards the second half of the episode.

Since there was so much that Bill and I did not get to discuss in this episode,

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