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The regime commits murders, they do it in in country, they do it outside the country,

they do financial crimes, it's a criminal enterprise.

And so it's effectively by allowing Russia to be a member of Interpol,

you're allowing criminals to have access to your information.

I'm Benjamin Wittess and this is the LawFair podcast March 16, 2019.

Bill Browder, human rights campaigner, foe of Vladimir Putin,

seems to get arrested whenever he travels abroad as a result of red notices

and diffusion orders issued by Vladimir Putin through the Interpol police organization.

These incidents have highlighted the abuse of Interpol by authoritarian governments

and they raise a really important question.

Should we be participating in an international police organization

with governments that use that organization to harass and arrest their enemies?

On the show today, we have two really thoughtful people on this subject

with somewhat different points of view, although a lot of common ground,

Bill Browder himself, along with Jago Russell, the head of an organization called Fair Trials,

which has worked to reform Interpol and make it less susceptible to abuse.

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