And the Welcome back to conversations. I'm Bill Crystal and I'm very pleased to be joined today by my friend Bill Bennett, my boss, the man I came to Washington to work for, and here we are 30 years later

and we're both still in Washington.

And I'm still fighting the good fight, I guess.

Still talking, anyway.

Talking, writing, you bet.

You've had so many interesting jobs, obviously,

Chairman of the National Downworth for the Humanities,

that Education Secretary, Drugs Are,

very important books of book of virtues,

incredible hit, the Talk Radio Show.

Which of all of these things, when you look back now,

if you enjoyed the most, which surprised you the most,

I'm just curious.

Surprised by a lot of it, but you know I was told early on growing up that this really is the land of opportunity,

you know, and if you work hard and study hard keep your nose clean is

that Bill Clinton's life that you know you could be a success and I'm proud of

what I have done I guess with the help of a lot of people and the

opportunity the country's offered see which is the best I suppose I suppose the book

of virtues will probably be you know the thing that may last the

longest because the book continues to sell even tell people how that happened

but that was I mean that was a surprise to all of us right

I mean it really was you had left government right right I had left I had left government

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