Bill and Sarah Ask: How Bad Can It Get?
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🗓️ 4 January 2026
⏱️ 53 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday. I'm Bill Crystal, joined by Sarah Longwell. |
| 0:06.1 | This Sunday morning at 9.30, it turned out to be an eventful weekend. We were going to have a nice discussion on, you know, what might happen in the year ahead. |
| 0:15.2 | And there's no big news this week. So we could really have the big picture talk. Maybe we should begin with a little bit, the kind of big news in the last 24, 36 hours. |
| 0:24.2 | Anyway, thanks, Sarah for joining me and taking your last, taking 45 minutes off from your |
| 0:28.9 | last Sunday of sortification. |
| 0:31.9 | Did you have a nice break? |
| 0:33.1 | Yeah, I mean, sure. |
| 0:34.1 | Of course, I don't want to be hiding for my family now that we're, you know, |
| 0:37.6 | two weeks deep in this vacation. Yesterday, I was like, oh, two and a half hours podcasting about |
| 0:44.1 | Venezuela. I feel like I'm back. But no, great vacation. I'm joking. Amazing two weeks with my family. |
| 0:51.6 | But it's great to see you. Great to see you, great to be back talking about politics. |
| 0:55.3 | Yeah, good to see you. |
| 0:56.3 | And that was a great show you and Mark Hurtling and Sam Stein |
| 1:00.7 | and Joe Perticoane did yesterday, |
| 1:03.6 | but before and after Trump's press conference at 11 a.m. |
| 1:07.5 | And I think General Hurtling was great, as always. |
| 1:09.7 | He had an excellent piece Friday, I guess, just the day before at the bulwark, |
| 1:13.6 | uh, uh, were worrying about regime, wanting to have regime changed without planning for serious in a serious way. |
| 1:21.6 | It's hard enough when you plan for it seriously, right? And he's been through that in Iraq and that he was excellent. You guys were excellent. |
| 1:28.3 | But talk about, is anything, if you change your mind about anything in the last 24 hours, and I'd say particularly, you watch the Trump thing, I read it afterwards, the Trump statement or press conference in real time. What did that feel like? I mean, when we went into it, we knew that the military operation had been successful, and that was pretty much what we knew, right? And then he, |
| 1:48.8 | that he was Trump. Yeah, I mean, look, there are things in which my instincts from the before |
| 1:55.6 | times create in me a sense of, oh, Maduro's a really bad guy. It would be great for Venezuela, |
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