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Big Tech lands an early win in legal battles against publishers

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🗓️ 27 June 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

This week, two major AI companies scored early wins in court, with federal judges siding with Meta and Anthropic in separate lawsuits over how their models were trained on copyrighted material. The decisions represent the first real legal validation of AI companies’ argument that training models on books, images, and other creative works can be considered “fair use” — even if those materials weren’t obtained with permission. It’s a big deal for companies building generative AI, and a potential turning point for the many lawsuits still in motion.  Today, on TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, hosts Max Zeff and Anthony Ha were joined by Sean O’Kane (who graciously stepped in while Kirsten headed off to the Nevada desert to see the next big act of Redwood Materials, the battery recycling and materials startup founded by former Tesla CTO JB Straubel) to dive deeper into the rulings. While neither case sets a precedent yet, Anthony noted that appeals are likely, and broader challenges could ultimately shape how AI companies interact with entire industries going forward. Listen to the full episode to hear more highlights from the week, including: Kalshi’s $185M round, and what it says about the rising (and legally murky) world of prediction markets The startup betting on reusable satellites, and why the Department of Defense is paying attention Tesla’s robotaxi rollout in Austin, and how it stacks up against Waymo and other AV companies’ approaches Equity will be back next week, so stay tuned! Equity is TechCrunch’s flagship podcast, produced by Theresa Loconsolo, and posts every Wednesday and Friday.  Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. We’d also like to thank TechCrunch’s audience development team. Thank you so much for listening, and we'll talk to you next time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey Harry.

0:00.7

Hello mate.

0:01.5

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0:02.8

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0:13.2

It's a good darn deal that'll make your squirrel for real.

0:16.3

Neil?

0:17.1

My name's not Neil.

0:18.1

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0:44.8

Heather. Anthony, do you ever just want to start off an interview really combative?

0:46.4

I think that's kind of my default state.

0:51.6

I just like to really get people off their guard and destabilize them.

0:54.6

It sounds like that's something you actually saw in the last few days.

0:59.6

Yeah. I mean, respectfully, Anthony, you're a nice guy. I can't imagine you doing that.

1:05.1

Sam Altman, however, he came on stage in San Francisco at an event I was at this week,

1:10.4

swinging. I think it's the only fair way to put it. He was an interview with The New York Times,

1:12.2

the hard forked podcast, Kevin Ros and Casey Newton and Altman barged on stage too early, like while they were like introing him

1:19.0

and teeing him up. And there was this like awkward moment. And then he immediately started asking

1:23.5

them questions about why the New York Times was suing them and asking for their personal

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