Welcome to the Breakpoint podcast. I'm John Stone Street, president of the Colson Center.

We're going to have just a fascinating conversation today, but I at least have to say it's going to be a lot of fun.

It's been years since I last saw a friend from college, who's got one of the most unique names among all of my college friends.

Klein Kitchen is the director of the Heritage Foundation's

Center for Technology Policy. It's had just an incredible career dealing in issues of

anti-terrorism, national security, and now doing a lot on some of the issues that are front and center

in the news, having to do with big tech in particular,

and that's the conversation that I want to have. Over the last several weeks, we've heard

from so many of you, whether you're a Colson Fellow, whether you're a listener to Breakpoint

or any of our podcast saying, what do we do about big tech? How do we think well about the right

of big companies to control their own

platforms? And what does that look like when the public square, by and large, is controlled by these

private companies and how do we deal with that? So I am just thrilled to welcome my friend,

Klein Kitchen. Klein, good to see you. I know most people are just hearing you, but it's been a

long time. Grateful for your career.

And thanks for joining us on the Breakpoint podcast. Oh, man. It's my pleasure. It's so good to catch up.

And yeah, this is important stuff. So I'm happy to help if I can. Well, you have been talking about

these things for a while, but especially on major media outlets here just in the last few weeks, in light of

the decision by Twitter to de-platform President Trump, the decision by Facebook to do the same

thing, also to de-platform Q&N supporters and voices, bought accounts connected with that. And then, of course, the decision by

Amazon Web Services then to turn around in basically the platform parlor, which is where a lot of

the far right was headed from some of these platforms. And there's a couple things here that I think

...