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Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

BIG T Trauma Ep. 28: Retained Ballistic Fragments: What We Were Never Taught

Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

Education, Science, Health & Fitness, Medicine

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The majority of non-fatal gunshot wound survivors walk away with a bullet still inside them. Most are discharged without a removal attempt, without a surveillance plan, and without a conversation about what comes next. This episode fills that gap.
Dr. Patrick Georgoff is joined by BIG T co-host Dr. Teddy Puzio (UT Houston), gun violence survivor and trauma surgeon Dr. Madhu Subramanian (Duke), and Dr. Tyler Simpson (Duke ACS Fellow) for a practical, honest conversation about one of trauma's most overlooked topics.

What we cover:

  • Epidemiology: how common retained fragments really are, and why the downstream burden is underappreciated
  • When to remove (and when not to): a framework for both index hospitalization and delayed removal
  • Forensic evidence: how to handle bullets in the OR without destroying their evidentiary value — and who to call when you don't know
  • Lead toxicity: the rare but real complication that can surface a decade later, which blood lead levels should prompt action, and when to call hematology or toxicology
  • The psychology: retained bullets are independently associated with depression and reduced return to work — and that belongs in the risk-benefit conversation

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0:00.0

Behind the Night, The Surgery Podcast, Relevant and Engaging Content to help you dominate the day.

0:38.5

This episode of Big T trauma is sponsored by Teleflex, a global provider of medical devices that address the time-critical challenges of achieving vascular access and bleeding control.

0:43.6

Not all products are available in all regions.

0:46.0

To learn more, visit Teleflex.com.

0:49.5

You've got a single ballistic wound to the thigh with a retained bullet.

0:53.0

There's no bleeding, no fracture, and no deficits on exam.

0:57.0

You tell the patient, you're definitely lucky.

0:59.7

You discharge them home, advise them to follow up as needed, and you rush back to your case

1:03.8

in the OR.

1:05.3

As trauma surgeons, this is definitely a regular occurrence.

1:08.3

The patient was in fact lucky, but it doesn't change the fact that they still

1:11.6

have a bullet in them. A bullet that can cause pain, psychological distress, and a rare instance,

1:16.6

serious lead poisoning. So welcome back to Behind the Knife. I'm Patrick Georgoff, and today we're

1:21.0

tackling a topic every trauma surgeon encounters, but almost none of us are formally taught,

1:25.8

and that's retained ballistic fragments.

1:28.0

So we'll cover the epidemiology, when to remove and when to leave them alone, how to handle

1:32.9

bullets as forensic evidence, the underappreciated psychological toll on our patients, and

1:37.9

the lead toxicity that can show up decades later. So joining me of Dr. Teddy Cusio from UT Houston,

1:46.0

Dr. Madre Supermanian,

1:52.3

a colleague of mine at Duke and a gun violence survivor, and our beloved Duke ACS fellow, Dr. Tyler Simpson.

1:57.6

Tyler, step the stage for us, why should trauma providers care about this topic?

2:05.5

Thanks, Dr. George, Ralph. So as we all know, firearm injuries are still a significant public health concern in the United States.

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