BIG T Trauma Ep. 28: Retained Ballistic Fragments: What We Were Never Taught
Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast
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🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
The majority of non-fatal gunshot wound survivors walk away with a bullet still inside them. Most are discharged without a removal attempt, without a surveillance plan, and without a conversation about what comes next. This episode fills that gap.
Dr. Patrick Georgoff is joined by BIG T co-host Dr. Teddy Puzio (UT Houston), gun violence survivor and trauma surgeon Dr. Madhu Subramanian (Duke), and Dr. Tyler Simpson (Duke ACS Fellow) for a practical, honest conversation about one of trauma's most overlooked topics.
What we cover:
- Epidemiology: how common retained fragments really are, and why the downstream burden is underappreciated
- When to remove (and when not to): a framework for both index hospitalization and delayed removal
- Forensic evidence: how to handle bullets in the OR without destroying their evidentiary value — and who to call when you don't know
- Lead toxicity: the rare but real complication that can surface a decade later, which blood lead levels should prompt action, and when to call hematology or toxicology
- The psychology: retained bullets are independently associated with depression and reduced return to work — and that belongs in the risk-benefit conversation
DOMINATE THE DAY
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| 0:00.0 | Behind the Night, The Surgery Podcast, Relevant and Engaging Content to help you dominate the day. |
| 0:38.5 | This episode of Big T trauma is sponsored by Teleflex, a global provider of medical devices that address the time-critical challenges of achieving vascular access and bleeding control. |
| 0:43.6 | Not all products are available in all regions. |
| 0:46.0 | To learn more, visit Teleflex.com. |
| 0:49.5 | You've got a single ballistic wound to the thigh with a retained bullet. |
| 0:53.0 | There's no bleeding, no fracture, and no deficits on exam. |
| 0:57.0 | You tell the patient, you're definitely lucky. |
| 0:59.7 | You discharge them home, advise them to follow up as needed, and you rush back to your case |
| 1:03.8 | in the OR. |
| 1:05.3 | As trauma surgeons, this is definitely a regular occurrence. |
| 1:08.3 | The patient was in fact lucky, but it doesn't change the fact that they still |
| 1:11.6 | have a bullet in them. A bullet that can cause pain, psychological distress, and a rare instance, |
| 1:16.6 | serious lead poisoning. So welcome back to Behind the Knife. I'm Patrick Georgoff, and today we're |
| 1:21.0 | tackling a topic every trauma surgeon encounters, but almost none of us are formally taught, |
| 1:25.8 | and that's retained ballistic fragments. |
| 1:28.0 | So we'll cover the epidemiology, when to remove and when to leave them alone, how to handle |
| 1:32.9 | bullets as forensic evidence, the underappreciated psychological toll on our patients, and |
| 1:37.9 | the lead toxicity that can show up decades later. So joining me of Dr. Teddy Cusio from UT Houston, |
| 1:46.0 | Dr. Madre Supermanian, |
| 1:52.3 | a colleague of mine at Duke and a gun violence survivor, and our beloved Duke ACS fellow, Dr. Tyler Simpson. |
| 1:57.6 | Tyler, step the stage for us, why should trauma providers care about this topic? |
| 2:05.5 | Thanks, Dr. George, Ralph. So as we all know, firearm injuries are still a significant public health concern in the United States. |
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