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Hello, and welcome back to big mood, little mood. I'm your host, Danny M. Lavery, and with me in the studio this week is Gina Green, a strategist, consultant, slash movement builder now helping Jewish and other organizations change through her new firm Uprising.

She's also the co-host along with Lynn Harris of the Jewish Advice Podcast Abental Brief.

Gina, welcome to the show. Thank you. It is so great to be here.

I am so pleased that you're here and I'm also pleased because for a brief moment, I was able to take credit for the phrase, get off the cross, we need the wood.

And that made me feel incredibly good about myself because it was just like, yeah, that'd be really clever if I had come up with that.

When I read it, I was like, wow, that's really good. Whoever came up with that, and now you're telling me that it is an old saying, it's been around the block several times.

You know, unfortunately, I think at this point, any new observations about the crucifixion, they've just all, they've come up. It's been long enough at this point that probably no one's going to arrive at like a fresh, fresh take.

No new fresh takes in the crucifixion. Imagine that one could always be wrong.

There's so often in life, there's more to learn, but I do think this one has been like pretty thoroughly excavated.

You might be accurate. You might be right on that point.

It's possible. Well, given that, how would you feel about reading that first letter?

Let's do it. Shall I hop right in?

Jane and I have been friends for over 20 years. She has an incredibly strong fear of abandonment, diagnosed anxiety and depression, and has generally struggled with relationships over the years.

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