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Hello and welcome back to BigMood LittleMood. I'm your host, Daniel Levery, and with me in the

studio this week is Katie Lawler-Turnbull, a full-time mom to a three-year-old as well as a

NICU nurse and has a master's in human rights. Katie, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Danny. It is a pleasure to be here.

I'm so pleased that you're here. Before we started recording, I had asked you if you had any

exciting gossip from the NICU, and then I sort of realized probably all of that gossip would

just be, you know, you'll never believe who's breathing unassisted these days, which does

it quite like have the same ring to it. But then you told me that you are also now working with

preschoolers, which I imagine does have some fun gossip. Yes. Well, I was trying to think of a

good way to describe it, and I was like, imagine going to a party with like 15 of your most fun

and funniest friends, and they are all drunk, and you have to try and get them to do something

all together at the same time, and that is pretty much what it feels like.

That sounds pretty adorable. They are very adorable. It's a very joyful job.

Yeah. Well, that sounds fantastic, and I also appreciate that because you weren't like,

oh, yeah, let me tell you about Patrick. You kept it general, and I think that was the right move for us.

They're all wonderful in their own ways. Yeah, no, that I definitely believe. I think three

years old, it's pretty hard to be anything other than pretty cute. So, luckily or un-luckily,

we are not advising any three-year-olds today. We are advising adults who are more complicated,

but that can be good as well as as difficult. I love our first question. I don't think I've

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