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Sign up now to listen at slate.com slash mood. Hello and the move,

the move, in the move, in the move,

in the move, in the move,

in the move, in the world. Hello and welcome back to Big Mood Little Mood. I am your host Danny and

Laverie and with me again this week in the studio is Ben Gullard, my favorite person.

We used to go to Wendy's all the time in high school,

and he's back to help me tell people what they should do with their lives.

Ben, great to see you.

It's good to see you, too, Danny.

It's terrific.

How you doing? How you been since the last time I saw you?

Good. Yeah, relaxed. Daylight savings time.

Oof. But you're looking...

What can you do?

Limber, you're looking supple, you can't do anything they just sometimes tell you the clock is different and you just have to roll with it

so our first question we are so not qualified to answer I just I guess I want to start with that. It's one of those things that's like I know parents can technically commit fraud by like taking out loans in their minor children's name and then like saddling their

kids with it. I don't know the ins and outs of it. It sounds awful, it sounds to Kensian.

It's probably the kind of thing where our answer is going to boil down to go see a lawyer.

So I'll just start by saying go see a lawyer.

We're just going to be talking about the sort of general principles and emotional

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