anti-mini cheddar. They don't get cheddar than this.

Hmm. Could be the greatest cheese snack ever.

They might well-breed. I just wish I had my own packet.

No chance. You're better by your own.

Well, that's mature.

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Hello and welcome back to big mood little mood.

I am your host, Daniel and Lavry.

And with me in the studio this week is Austin Channing Brown, a writer, speaker,

and media producer on racial justice.

She's the author of the New York Times bestseller.

I'm still here, black dignity in a world made for whiteness.

Next year, she'll release a young readers version of her book.

She's also the founder and CEO of herself media.

Austin, welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for having me.

I am so pleased. I almost said welcome back, although the last time that you were here,

it was, you know, under the old Aegis of my credence.

So in many ways, this is brand new for both of us.

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