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Hello and welcome back to Big Mood, Little Mood. I am your host, Danny M. Lavery.

And with me in the studio this week is Kate Duffy, a New York licensed clinical social worker

who has worked as a therapist and clinical supervisor in a variety of settings,

including shelters, residential group homes, and outpatient clinics.

Kate, welcome to the show. Hi, Danny. So good to be back. Thanks for having me.

I'm so, so glad to have you back. And I'm excited because I feel like a big theme of this

week's episode is topographies of the face. I just got a lot more stuff about skin conditions

and skin and holes and the possibility of more holes. And I think that's an unusual theme.

Usually the themes run more along the lines of your mother's difficult.

Yeah, there's the biggest organ in the body. There's orifices. There's holes of all different

varieties and and also relationships while we're at it. Right. No, if anything, I think I've

been really neglecting skin conditions on this show because as you say, it is the biggest organ

that we have to contend with. And so I'm glad to finally be making up for the lost time.

I'm really glad that that's actually correct because when it was coming out of my mouth when I

was saying that's the biggest organ for a second, I was like, that's wrong. You were encouraged.

It does slightly have the ring of maybe not quite an old wives tale, but the sort of thing that

you hear someone say really confidently and you later look up and it's not at all true.

Yeah, exactly. I probably like absorbed that through osmosis as a child. And then I'm now,

you know, 31 and I'm like, that nope. I messed up. Where are we now, by the way, on the whole,

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