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sign up now to listen at slate.com slash mood. Hello and welcome back to Big Meade, I'm your host, Daniel M. Laverry, and with me in the studio this week is my wife Grace

Laverie, a writer and academic, who lives in Brooklyn. More specifically, she lives who lives in Brooklyn.

More specifically, she lives with me in Brooklyn.

But I don't suppose that necessarily needed to be included in your bio.

Grace, welcome to the show.

Did I put that in my bio?

I mean, it just says you're a writer and academic who lives in Brooklyn.

Right, yeah.

I added the specificity.

That's right, but what's strange about that to me is that I considered including

that exact same joke and then decided not to, which is wonderful. It means that we're. including that and then feel immediately self-conscious about. That feels right.

I usually don't feel self-conscious about Patter.

But, um...

Maybe I make you feel self-conscious.

I'm a born vaudevillian and I think we would have had a really good sense of like give and take.

I say, I take. I say I say I don't know that that's exactly the

kind of vaudevillian we would have been. What kind of vaudevillian are you? You know, I want to say like George Burns and Gracie Allen, but I don't actually listen to enough of their stuff to know if that's true. I just like the idea of the two of them it seemed like they were both

really famous and everyone sort of liked them for being married which is the sort of

like easy soft cred I want you you want cred for being married?

Or it just feels like such an easy, like, to me their careers just seem like a series of

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