From Wired, this is the big interview. I'm Katie Drummond. This month, good old Wikipedia turns 25.

As of December 2025, the online crowdsourced encyclopedia has 66 million articles in 342 languages.

Over the last decade, the site has been viewed 1.9 trillion times.

Yes, that's trillion with a T.

With nearly 300 million views, Donald Trump's entry is the most visited English language article,

which is unfortunate.

But the entry with the most edits? According to Wikipedia,

the article about WWE personnel has been revised 59,000 times. The online encyclopedia is not

without its critics or controversies, of course. Most recently, Elon Musk created Grawcapedia,

yes, this is how we all live now, as his antidote to what he calls Wocopedia, and of course Wikipedia has also been banned or censored in a

handful of countries around the world. So how did this low frills crowd-sourced website get to

where it is today?

Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's co-founder and author of The Seven Rules of Trust, a blueprint for

building things that last, has some thoughts.

I sat down with him to talk about everything from his life in the UK to his fake chess skills

to ultimately how trust is at the center of Wikipedia's success. Take a listen.

Jimmy Wales, welcome to the big interview. Thank you so much for being here.

Thanks for having me on. Delighted. So we always start these conversations with a few quick questions.

So like a little warm up for your brain. Are you ready? Yes. Okay. Great. What is an internet rabbit hole you've fallen into most recently? Oh, fallen into most recently. Home assistant. I've just started using home assistant to run smart home devices and there's a huge community

and thousands of things to read about and so on and so forth. So it's what I'm obsessed with these

days. What is this community doing? Are they like troubleshooting? What happens when home

assistance goes wrong? Yeah, people are working on extensions to do with every kind of thing in the world.

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