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Uncanny Valley | WIRED

BIG INTV: AWS CEO Matt Garman Doesn’t Think AI Should Replace Junior Devs

Uncanny Valley | WIRED

WIRED

Technology

4.1570 Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

The head of Amazon Web Services has big plans to offer AI tools to businesses, but says that replacing coders with AI is “a non-starter for anyone who's trying to build a long-term company.” Katie sits down to discuss German's vision, and why Amazon could be a dark horse in the AI race. 

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0:00.0

From Wired, this is the big interview. I'm Katie Drummond.

0:08.0

Amazon Web Services, better known as AWS, is back in the spotlight.

0:13.0

I'm not talking about the most recent outage that nearly shut down 30% of the internet.

0:18.0

Instead, it's because of the recent announcement from CEO Matt Garman

0:22.2

that's focused on the very AI-centric future of one of the world's largest cloud platforms.

0:27.9

Garmin, a one-time AWS intern, is now guiding the company through perhaps its most transformative

0:33.0

moment since its founding, introducing new AI systems, new partnerships, and new questions about

0:38.5

who and what will dominate the next decade of cloud and artificial intelligence.

0:43.4

In this conversation, we talk about the strategy, the pressure, and the big decisions Garmin has

0:48.9

to make shaping the infrastructure that powers, well, almost everything.

0:57.7

All right, I'm ready.

0:58.8

Okay, let's do it.

1:00.4

Matt Garman, welcome to the big interview.

1:03.1

Thank you.

1:03.8

Thanks for having me.

1:04.7

So we always start these conversations with some very quick questions, like a warm-up.

1:09.5

Are you ready?

1:36.1

Sure. Go ahead. Okay, he's ready. It's too late now. Okay. If AWS had a mascot, what would it be? We have a big S3 bucket sometimes that goes around, so we'll call it that. Wait, sorry. What is an S3 bucket? Well, an S3 bucket is like a thing that you store your S3 objects in, but we actually have a large foam, a big bucket that walks around and actually looks like a paint bucket.

1:37.5

So you do have a mascot?

1:39.5

Well, S3 has a bucket.

1:40.3

It has a mascot.

1:42.3

It's probably the closest we have, and I like it.

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