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John Cobalt Show on demand, and you pick up what you miss. Oh, hour one is up already. How about that? Well, how about hour two? Well, I'm working on hour, too. Hour one is up. Hour two is coming. Let's now go to Don Mahalick. He had him on many times ABC News

law enforcement contributor and he's

retired senior secret service agent

and we're going to talk about how this Nancy Guthrie case

and the deadline for

paying the ransom allegedly is

in less than an hour at 4 o'clock

Pacific time.

This whole case doesn't follow any normal pattern of a kidnapping that I can remember,

and I see other crime experts and FBI agents say the same thing.

Let's talk to Don.

How are you?

Good.

How are you, John?

I'm good.

The whole world seems to be baffled by the arc of this story because there's never any new details to the story. I don't know what you've heard and what you've know because this stuff changes, but we still don't know who's asking for the money, if they're real, where they are, if Nancy Guthrie is in their possession,

if she's alive or dead, they don't know anything.

I mean, are they really going to pay $6 million in Bitcoin to a non-existent entity that

hasn't provided proof of life?

And that's the hot question right now because you're right.

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