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It's 9.15 p.m. at 113 East 38th Street, and you're listening to Night Call.

Night Call.

Night Call, a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights.

I'm Tess Lynch in Los Angeles, with me is special guest Karina Longworth.

Hi. Over in New York, we have as always. Emily Oshita. Hi, guys. Hi. I'm so excited to have

Karina on the show. It feels like it's been long overdue. Yes, absolutely. And for those of you who do

not know, who have been living in a cave, Karina hosts,

you must remember this, a really, really great podcast about Hollywood history and scandal

and all sorts of juicy stuff that is on hiatus right now, correct?

Yeah.

But if you haven't listened to it, you can go back and discover a whole wealth of podcast episodes past.

You should also read her books. Her newest one, I believe, is seduction, sex lies, and stardom, and Howard Hughes, Hollywood. And it's amazing. So you should definitely get that. But yeah, I think you must remember this is definitely like night call adjacent. We've all been big fans for a long time. So we're really happy to have Karina here.

Yeah. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. I'm a fan of night call.

Yay. Thank you.

I'm so excited to talk about erotic thrillers.

Oh, yeah. It's like, it's really, it's really great how much this series of ours has brought people out of the woodwork.

Like there are a lot of kind of secret enthusiasts who are like, oh, when are you going to do mine?

Like my favorite.

We wanted to start off real quick just to acknowledge our new superstar, literally, the black hole that was imaged, I should say, for the first time

last week. So this is sort of old news by the time you're hearing this. But we just wanted to

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