And joining us now is Goetree.

Going to have him on.

He was a little bit slow to answer the phone because he said we showed up as telemarketers.

Tell us a little bit about how do we look when we're giving you a call because we're

doing an over thethe-phone interview.

How did it show up on your side?

Well, you know, we're going to be talking about this lunatic English judge.

And I'm sitting here prepped for that.

You're showing up as a telemarketer from Oxford, England.

And I'm like, oh, no, they've already got me.

Yeah, that's, well, you're not paranoid if they're actually paying attention to you, right? And so what we're

going to talk about is this situation coming out of the UK, this big Brother through the back door. And Goetree really

wanted to talk about this. And I do too. It is a case. And I'll set it up just a little bit

and you can fill in the details. This is a court case out of the UK telling Apple that they

have to give them full access to all of the

encrypted information that's on iCloud and other places like that a very very dangerous precedent

and of course even if other countries don't follow this same precedent against other other companies we're part of five eyes with them

and so anything that the UK government gets they can share with the CIA or the NSA or these

American government entities because that's the whole purpose of five eyes they They set this thing up and they use it, this partnership saying, well, we'll give you

the stuff that you're not legally allowed to collect, but we can, we don't have any prohibition

on it.

And so you can spy on Americans.

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