Coming up on the Peston podcast, we've seen Donald Trump leave the building, leave the White House.

At last, some would say say Joe Biden arriving a new

president what does it mean for America what does it mean for the UK what does it

mean for the world I'll be discussing that would be international trade

secretary his trust with Ireland's influential foreign affairs minister

Simon Coveney with the sat satirist, the director,

the filmmaker, Amanda Yonucci, Labour's Ed Balls, former shadow chancellor, and the senior

Tory Sir Charles Walker. Coming up first, headballs.

Joe Biden, what difference do you think he'll make to Britain?

To Britain, well, I think, as you said, we're going to get away from the chaos and the discord of the last four years.

There's going to be somebody in the White House

who will play by normal rules of decency and respect.

And I think that will be easier for governments

around the world to deal.

Well, I don't think it's going to be easy for Britain.

It would be surprising if Joe Biden is kind of

is rushing to do special deals for the UK.

Well, can I ask you on that point, I mean, last week Kim Darrick, who was ambassador in Washington to comparatively recently for us,

said that he thought that Boris Johnson would have been too, in his words, obsequious to Trump

and that we as a nation would pay a price for that

now that Joe Biden's in the White House. Do you think that's right? Yeah, I think that's for Boris

Johnson now to decide and for the approach the government takes. We're going to be the chair of

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