Biden, Putin restore talks as DC hawks promote New Cold War
Pushback with Aaron Mate
Pushback with Aaron Maté
4.7 • 594 Ratings
🗓️ 19 June 2021
⏱️ 25 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to pushback. I'm Aaron Mate. Joining me is James Cardin. He is a former State Department |
| 0:09.2 | Advisor, the executive editor of the American Committee for U.S. Russia Accord, co-founded by the late |
| 0:16.6 | Stephen F. Cohen, and he writes at the scrum.substack.com. |
| 0:21.7 | James, making your pushback debut. |
| 0:24.4 | Very excited to have you. |
| 0:26.0 | Well, thanks for having me, Aaron. Nice to see it. |
| 0:28.5 | So let's talk about the Biden-Pudin summit, a lot of hype around it. |
| 0:32.3 | What were your key takeaways from their relatively brief meeting? |
| 0:41.3 | Well, my key takeaway is that it could have been worse. There are a number of pretty good things that came out of it. |
| 0:46.3 | The first thing I guess I'd point to was the overall tone between the two presidents. |
| 0:55.0 | It wasn't marked by overt hostility, |
| 0:59.3 | nor kind of slavish deference. |
| 1:03.0 | I was just on a Zoom conference sponsored |
| 1:06.9 | by the Quincy Institute in which former governor Jerry Brown said that both |
| 1:14.2 | presidents acted as professionals and as human beings and that was a significant |
| 1:19.0 | step forward and I think Governor Brown is right about that so there's tone and |
| 1:23.1 | then there were some actual in the parlance of the foreign policy bureaucracy, some deliverables |
| 1:31.5 | that came out of it. The first and probably most important was the announcement of a bilateral |
| 1:38.2 | strategic stability dialogue. Both presidents said there was an agreement to begin negotiations around issues of |
| 1:47.0 | cyber. Both presidents repeated the pledge that President Reagan and Prime Minister, no, excuse |
| 1:58.0 | me, President Gorbachev made in 1980, 1985 at Geneva in which they declared that a nuclear war can never be won and should never be fought. |
| 2:10.6 | And finally, both sides agree to send back their ambassadors. |
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