It's Brian Lehrer, and this is my daily politics podcast from WNYC Studios.

It's Wednesday, April 15th.

Here is a shocking, bi-coastal coronavirus comparison.

Maybe New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut can learn from this,

maybe the rest of the country too. New York City is the densest city in the U.S. with 28,000 people

per square mile. And New York has more than 10,000 coronavirus deaths. The second densest city in the

country is San Francisco with 17,000 people per

square mile. You know how many coronavirus deaths San Francisco had as of Monday? 15, not 15,000, 15 people.

Let's see if California's experience is unique to California, as so many things are unique to California, or if there are lessons that others can learn.

With me now, the New York Times, San Francisco Bureau Chief Thomas Fuller, who has an article called California Set the Tone on coronavirus shutdowns.

What's its next move?

We'll talk about how they shut down and how they might start opening back up in ways that could also establish a model.

The governor of California, Gavin Newsom was talking about that yesterday.

Thomas, thanks for coming on.

Welcome to WNYC.

You're welcome, Brian.

I'm in San Francisco, but I'm a native of Tuckahoe, New York, so it's an honor.

All right.

And love San Francisco, my second favorite city, so the honor is back.

Let's start here.

On being quick to shut down their cities, Mayor London Breed versus Mayor Bill de Blasio can you compare and contrast?

Yeah you know I think a better comparison is the Bay Area overall the the first action

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