You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God ordained podcast on the internet.

I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Hey everybody on today's episode of the Bible for Normal People.

We're talking about the bizarre Book of Ezekiel with Safa Marzook.

Safa is an associate professor of Old Testament at Union Presbyterian Seminary,

as well as an ordained pastor, but interesting, which is tied to what we talk about today,

is a Christian Egyptian and a migrant to the U.S.

and that added a particular flavor and perspective to the Book of Ezekiel that I found fascinating and very helpful.

He's written three books, including Egypt as a monster in the Book of Ezekiel,

a commentary on Ezekiel in the Arabic contemporary commentary,

and intercultural church, a biblical vision for an age of migration.

Yeah, we had a great conversation and can't wait for you to hear it.

So let's get into the episode.

One of the really interesting things about Ezekiel,

where holiness, to be a holy people, is not separated from doing justice.

And these two categories that sometimes because of our different theological backgrounds,

we kind of pivot them against each other.

They are integrated in the prophetic work of Ezekiel.

And sometimes to be honest, it makes me think that to be holy as a people of God is to actually do justice.

Well, Safa, thank you for being on the podcast. It's great to have you here.

Thank you, Pete. I look forward to our conversation.

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