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One thing I want to touch base on, because you just kind of talked about it. You know, I too in my youth did some

time, ended up going to jail and stuff like that. Did that open your eyes up to the legal system?

Because that's kind of what really catalyzed that for me too. Because even though I was doing things

wrong, you know, to a degree

back then, I always noticed that there was something off and wrong with the police encounters.

It just seemed like, so did that kind of have a little bit of a contribution to opening your eyes?

Yeah, I would say my eyes were kind of open before that as far as the legal system goes.

Okay.

I've always deep down in my heart have been an anarchist.

I mean, it's just something I've been, I guess, born into.

But not necessarily an educated anarchist.

Like I couldn't, I didn't, I wasn't principled.

I didn't have my philosophy down.

I just knew that I didn't believe in authority, like people believe in authority.

But when I went to jail, it made me really angry.

My arrest, I'm not going to say it was completely unjustified, but it was for victimless crime

and I was arrested unconstitutionally.

And I made the mistake because I was young and naive of saying that I was suicidal.

And so they held me in a holding cell for 48 hours.

And so I had nothing to do but sit there and think about how much I absolutely

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