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Ben Franklin's World

BFW Revisited: Valley Forge

Ben Franklin's World

Liz Covart

Society & Culture, History

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Most of us learned the same story: During the winter at Valley Forge, George Washington's army suffered and endured. Ragged soldiers huddled together in frozen huts and gnawed on shoe leather for food. But what if that story is mostly myth? Military historian Ricardo Herrera, author of Feeding Washington's Army: Surviving the Valley Forge Winter of 1778, reveals what was really happening during the winter of 1777–1778. Valley Forge wasn't a place of frozen inactivity, it was a hub of military operations. The army's survival depended not on virtue and willpower alone, but on the armed foraging columns Washington sent into the Pennsylvania countryside to seize food, horses, and supplies from the civilians he was fighting to protect. Rick’s Website | Book |Show Notes: https://www.benfranklinsworld.com/348 RECOMMENDED NEXT EPISODES🎧 Episode 158: The Revolutionaries' Army🎧 Episode 189: The Little Ice Age🎧 Episode 301: Innoculation to Vaccination, Part 1🎧 Episode 302: Innoculation to Vaccination, Part 2🎧 Episode 332: Occupied Philadelphia🎧 Episode 333: Occupied YorktownSUPPORT OUR WORK🎁 Make a Donation to Ben Franklin’s WorldREQUEST A TOPIC📨 Topic Request Form📫 liz@benfranklinsworld.comWHEN YOU'RE READY🗞️ BFW Gazette Newsletter 👩‍💻 Join the BFW Listener Community🌍 Join the History Explorers ClubTAKE THE QUIZ🧭 Discover How You Explore History (under 2 minutes)👉 https://www.benfranklinsworld.com/quizLISTEN 🎧🍎 Apple Podcasts 💚 Spotify 🎶 Amazon Music🛜 PandoraCONNECT🦋 Liz on Bluesky👩‍💻 Liz on LinkedIn🛜 Liz’s WebsiteSAY THANKS💜 Leave a review on Apple Podcasts💚 Leave a rating on Spotify*Book links are affiliate links. Every purchase supports the podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast.

0:04.0

Ben Franklin's World is a production of Clio Digital Media.

0:07.1

And support for this episode comes from the Massachusetts Historical Society.

0:10.8

The first historical society founded in the United States in 1791.

0:26.6

Hello and welcome to Ben Franklin's World Revisited,

0:31.0

a series of classic episodes that bring fresh perspective to our latest episodes and had deeper connections to our understanding of early American history.

0:35.1

And I'm your host, Liz Covart.

0:39.8

Next week, we're going to investigate the everyday experiences of soldiers who fought in the war for American independence, so soldiers

0:44.7

who served in the British Army, Continental Army, and in militia units. And our investigation in

0:50.0

episode 442 will include what they ate, how they trained, what they endured, and what kept

0:56.2

them in the field. But before we actually embark on that investigation, I thought it was worth

1:01.2

exploring the question of what it actually took to keep an 18th century army alive. Now, many of us

1:07.2

carry a particular kind of image when it comes to Valley Forge. Ragged soldiers

1:11.3

huddled together in snow-covered huts with little heat. Hungry men gnawing on whatever they could find,

1:16.9

including old shoe leather. These are powerful images, but are the accurate images?

1:22.7

In episode 348, we met with Ricardo Herrera, a military historian who is now a contributor to the George

1:29.1

Washington Leadership Institute. He's also the author of Feeding Washington's Army, surviving the

1:34.2

Valley Forge winter of 1778. Now, during our conversation, Rick reveals why Valley Forge was not

1:40.9

just a place of frozen suffering, but a hub of military operations as a modern

1:45.3

forward operating base. How the catastrophic failures of the Continental Army supply systems

1:50.7

forced Washington to send armed foraging columns into the Pennsylvania countryside, seizing food,

1:56.5

horses, and equipment from the very civilians the Army was supposed to be protecting.

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