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Ben Franklin's World

BFW Revisited: The Business of Slavery

Ben Franklin's World

Liz Covart

History, Society & Culture

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

When we think about slavery in early America, we often rightfully focus on the human toll–the violence, the exploitation, the dehumanization that defined the institution. But slavery wasn’t just a system of forced labor; it was also a business. Next week, in Episode 418, we’ll be investigating a different facet of the business of slavery: the story of slave drivers–enslaved people who were forced or took up positions of authority over others. To better understand the system slave drivers operated within, I thought we should revisit Episode 281 with historian Caitlin Rosenthal. Caitlin is an Associate Professor of History at the University of California, Berkeley. Her book, Accounting for Slavery: Masters and Management, won the Simkins Award from the Southern Historical Association and the Economic Historical Society’s First Book Prize. Caitlin’s Website | Book Show Notes: https://www.benfranklinsworld.com/403 RECOMMENDED NEXT EPISODES🎧 Episode 173: Colonial Port Cities & Slavery🎧 Episode 176: The Value of the Enslaved from Womb to Grave🎧 Episode 312: The Domestic Slave Trade🎧 Episode 324: New Netherland and Slavery🎧 Episode 386: Sleeping with the Ancestors🎧 Episode 387: California and SlaverySUPPORT OUR WORK🎁 Make a Donation to Ben Franklin’s WorldREQUEST A TOPIC📨 Topic Request Form📫 [email protected] YOU'RE READY🗞️ BFW Gazette Newsletter👩‍💻 BFW Listener Community🌍 The History Explorers Club LISTEN 🎧🍎 Apple Podcasts 💚 Spotify 🎶 Amazon Music🛜 PandoraCONNECT🦋 Liz on Bluesky👩‍💻 Liz on LinkedIn🛜 Liz’s WebsiteSAY THANKS💜 Leave a review on Apple Podcasts💚 Leave a rating on Spotify*Book links are affiliate links. Every purchase supports the podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center.

0:04.8

A few years ago, learning about the forgotten meaning of the pursuit of happiness changed my life.

0:11.0

When the founders wrote that famous phrase in the Declaration of Independence,

0:14.5

they meant an ongoing commitment to self-improvement and lifelong learning.

0:19.4

This discovery inspired me to write a book, and in my

0:22.1

new podcast, I explore the founder's lives with the historians who know them best. Plus, filmmaker

0:27.9

Ken Byrne shares his daily practice of self-reflection. Join me for Pursuit, the Founders' Guide

0:34.2

to Happiness. Hello, this is Matt from the Explorers podcast.

0:43.7

I want to invite you to join me on the voyages and journeys of the most famous explorers

0:47.6

in the history of the world.

0:49.4

These are the thrilling and captivating stories of Vigelin, Shackleton, Lewis, and Clark,

0:54.1

and so many other

0:55.0

famous and not-so-famous adventures from throughout history. Go to Exploryspodcast.com or just look us up on

1:01.4

your podcast app. That's the Explorers Podcast. You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast.

1:17.3

Music listening to an Airwave Media Podcast. Hello and welcome to Ben Franklin's World Revisited, a series of classic episodes that bring

1:23.4

fresh perspective to our latest episodes and had deeper connections to our understanding

1:27.9

of early American history. And I'm your host, Liz Covart. When we think about slavery in

1:34.0

early America, we often rightfully focus on the human toll, the violence, the exploitation,

1:40.8

and the dehumanization that defined the institution. But slavery wasn't just a system of forced labor.

1:47.1

It was also a business.

1:49.2

Next week in episode 418, we'll be investigating a different facet of the business of slavery.

1:55.2

The story is slave drivers, and slave people who were either forced to or took up positions

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