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Hello, and welcome to Ben Franklin's World Revisited, a series of classic episodes that bring fresh perspective to our latest episodes and at deeper connections to our understanding

of early American history. And I'm your host, Liz Covart. We often hear about the revolutioners,

the men and women who pushed for independence. But what about those who remain loyal to the British

Crown? What did they believe and why did they choose loyalty over revolution?

In this episode, we're revisiting a powerful conversation with Fresno State University historian Brad

Jones, author of resisting independence, popular loyalism in the revolutionary British Atlantic.

Brad's work helps us think beyond the old idea that loyalists were

simply cowards or conservatives who clung to the past. Instead, Brad helps us see how loyalism was an

active political identity rooted in the idea of good government, religious values, and an expansive

view of Britishness. Now, during our conversation, Brad reveals why the American Revolution

was, in many ways, a civil war, how Protestantism shaped loyalist identity and ideology,

and how people across the British Atlantic world grappled with the meanings of loyalty and

rebellion. This conversation is a perfect starting point for our discussion next week

about Georgia's royal governor, Sir James Wright,

and the high personal and political cost of remaining loyal to the British Empire.

But first, I'd like to make sure that you've heard about the upcoming change

to our dedicated Ben Franklin's World Apps.

At the end of October 2025, our dedicated Android and iOS apps will no longer receive updates.

My hosting service is retiring its app business, so our dedicated listening apps will become

defunct at the end of October.

But don't worry, I have you covered.

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