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When you first started doing that pendulum, as you said, when did you know, or either one of you, know that it actually clicked and really was something that was working.

That was one of the big...

Well, for me, it came very early.

I was working the kidnapping case of a very young girl.

And I consolidated all my information, took it into the policeman in charge and said by the way I have

some information you should know that I'm using psychic means would you listen to it he said

course we sat down with the cop he recorded the session I told him everything told him how I got

the information and gave him all the information that I had. And then he thanked me very much.

Now, after he turned off the recorder, he said, you know, by the way, the biggest case I was,

I solved last year was solved by a psychic. And later during that investigation, someone who was

working with the detectives on them, with the detectives, said the detectives on them with the detectives said the detectives

then the detectives wanted you to know that you have connected a lot of very important dots

so at that moment yeah that that was that was all the confirmation i needed

absolutely cool yeah and that's very interesting, isn't it?

Yeah, what is your most memorable, I guess, case that you can think of where you used it?

Is there any that we know of, like big cases or like?

Some, there's some that I can't mention. One of the cases that really stands out is we did

a case up here in Arizona where a young man who was an avid camper and went missing.

And his family was very concerned.

And me and several other psychics were working in the case.

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