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Outrage + Optimism

Beyond Trump: The new frontlines for climate action

Outrage + Optimism

Persephonica

Science, Finance, Energy, Policy, Business, Green, Society, Current Affairs, Climate, News, Planet, Society & Culture, Environment, Climatechange, Nature, Parisclimateagreement, Globalwarming

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

What is the future of climate action? Having previously interrogated the failures of multilateralism in the years since the Paris Agreement was signed, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson look to the future and the alternative ‘levers of change’ that will tackle the climate crisis. 


These avenues are needed now more than ever after a whirlwind of executive orders and policies passed by President Donald Trump’s administration. These have placed climate action firmly in its crosshairs, whilst conflating it with other conservative talking points such as transgender rights and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion programmes.


So what other levers can be pulled? Whether it’s the utilisation of technology; our interaction with the worlds of business and finance; mass engagement with the public at large; climate litigation that moves the debate into the courtroom; and the role of young people – not just as campaigners, but also as corporate advisors. Will these approaches help bypass increasing obstructionism in the fight for climate justice?


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📊 Check out the graphs Paul mentioned about the power of wind and solar generation, as well as EV and battery sales!


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💬 Have we missed any exciting levers of change? Let us know by sending us a voice note!


📺 WATCH: 10 years on from Paris, Christiana Figueres is forced to confront her negotiation style: “There’s no one less diplomatic than I am!”


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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to outrage and optimism. I'm Tom Rivikarnik.

0:05.2

I'm Christiana Figueres.

0:06.7

And I'm Paul Dickinson.

0:08.3

Today we are going to look at the levers of change we can pull when governments don't do their jobs.

0:13.2

Okay friends, so off the back of the Paris episode that we did last week, where we looked at the kind of days of halcyon possibility in

0:21.5

Paris and how challenging things are now. What we want to do today is dig into the levers of

0:25.8

change that are available to us at difficult moments. But first, we have to get into what's happening

0:31.3

in the US because it's so outrageous. This is a lot worse than 2017 when Trump was inaugurated

0:36.4

the first time. 33 executive orders have now rolled back so much of what we've been trying to achieve on climate.

0:42.6

Putting back in place fossil fuels, banning offshore wind, blocking EV infrastructure.

0:47.1

Trump is basically trying to reverse the progress that was made in the Biden administration

0:50.8

and put back the US on this path to fossil fuels. Of course, the irony there is

0:56.4

that the US is already pumping fossil fuels at maximum production capacity. And Darren Woods,

1:01.3

the CEO of ExxonMobil, has actually gone on record and said he doesn't think the US can produce

1:05.3

any more oil and gas. So all of this is political theatre. The other thing I would say,

1:09.3

and this is completely heartbreaking,

1:16.4

is Trump, together with Elon Musk, have been systematically dismantling the parts of the US government that are designed to help the most vulnerable people around the world. In particular,

1:20.6

USAID, which Musk has been crowing about shuddering over the course of the last week, putting

1:25.4

the world's most vulnerable people on the path to unimaginable hardships. Resistance is late, but it's coming. There are now legal

1:33.1

battles mounting in the US, states beginning to fight back, and the next few weeks will reveal a

1:38.0

great deal about what the next few years are going to be made of. How are you both managing

1:42.5

against this onslaught and what's catching your

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