Beyond the Wall: East Germany, 1949-1990 (284)

Cold War Conversations Podcast

Ian Sanders

History, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.8 • 758 Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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In 1990, a country disappeared. When the Iron Curtain fell, East Germany simply ceased to be. For over forty years, from the ruin of the Second World War to the cusp of a new millennium, the GDR presented a radically different German identity to anything that had come before, and anything that exists today. Socialist solidarity, secret police, central planning, barbed wire: this was a Germany forged on the fault lines of ideology and geopolitics. I talk with acclaimed historian Katja Hoyer Whose new book Beyond the Wall: East Germany, 1949-1990 offers a kaleidoscopic new vision of this vanished country. Beginning with the bitter experience of German Marxists exiled by Hitler, to the creaking foundations of socialism in the mid-1980s, we discuss that amid oppression and frequent hardship, East Germany was yet home to a rich political, social, and cultural landscape, a place far more dynamic than the Cold War caricature often painted in the West. Powerfully told, and drawing on a vast array of never-before-seen interviews, letters, and records, this is the definitive history of the other Germany, the one beyond the Wall. 0:00 Introduction to the episode and Katya Hoya 2:37 Katya Hoya's approach to researching and writing about East Germany 7:35 Arrival of Gruppe Ulbricht in Soviet occupied zone of Germany 15:19 Public sentiment towards the formation of East Germany 21:24 The 1953 uprising in East Germany 24:19 The economic disparity between East and West Germany 33:10 Evidence of Honecker's collaboration with Nazi authorities 45:17 Car ownership in East Germany: perceptions and realities 1:00:14 The unique relationship between Helmut Kohl and Honecker 1:10:16 The impact of reunification on East Germany's economy and workforce 1:21:43 Ending notes, book promotion, and thanks to supporters UK listeners can support CWC by buying the book here https://uk.bookshop.org/a/1549/9780241553787 US listeners can support CWC by buying the book here https://bookshop.org/a/92195/9781541602571 The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to keep this podcast on the air. You’ll become part of our community and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history. Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link. Details and extra video content on this link https://coldwarconversations.com/episode284/ Support the project! https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPod Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/ Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversations Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:10.1	In 1990, a country disappeared, when the Iron Curtain fell, East Germany simply ceased to be.
1:17.8	For over 40 years from the ruin of the Second World War to the cusp of the new millennium,
1:23.9	the GDR presented a radically different German identity to anything that had come before
1:29.3	and anything that exists today. Socialist solidarity, secret police, central planning, barbed wire,
1:37.1	this was a Germany forged on the fault lines of ideology and geopolitics.
1:42.9	I talk with a claimed historian Katya Hoyer, whose new book, Beyond the
1:48.0	Wall, offers a kaleidoscopic new vision of this vanished country, beginning with the bitter
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