Hidden, a true crime podcast, a forensic psychologist and a journalist explore the hidden motives behind

unthinkable crimes while examining our deepest fears along the way.

She also had doubt and she on occasion two or three times said to me,

if Chad is Satan, he sure is a good one so that tends to lead me

to think that she wasn't a hundred percent convinced either that she may

have doubted chat yeah yeah this is Lauren Mathias and I'm Dr. John Mathias and what you just heard was

Melanie Gibb, Lori Valo Daybell's best friend during an interview with East Idaho news's Nate Eden.

I wanted to lead with that because I think it's going to set the theme for our podcast today.

Today we're going to be looking at Lori Valo Daybell in depth.

I know a lot of you have been anxiously awaiting this moment, so...

It has arrived.

Thanks for the patience.

Thanks for hanging in there and waiting.

Here we are and let me tell you this is a real tangled web that we're going to try to unravel here.

So be patient.

Stay with us and we will get you to some reasonable understanding

by the end, I hope.

So I wanted to lead with that comment by Melanie Gibb

because I think in most criminal situations that I've been involved with

there's always these moments when a major choice is made.

Oftentimes those moments involve a certain amount of self-reflection,

which isn't necessarily a common element of a lot of criminal

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