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BEYOND THE VEIL: Did Lori Vallow Kill before meeting Chad? Was Joe Ryan murdered?

Hidden True Crime

Hidden True Crime

Society & Culture, Documentary, News, True Crime, News Commentary

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2023

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

Exploring this week's sweeping motions by Chad Daybell's attorney, along with explosive news delivered to Hidden True Crime. While Lori Vallow Daybell has been convicted of murdering her two children, BOMBSHELL NEWS make Hidden hosts John and Lauren Matthias question: WILL THIS INFO CHANGE THE CHAD DAYBELL'S DEFENSE? A forensic psychologist and journalist (who are husband and wife) explore the inner workings of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell's minds, as well as the hidden motivations driving a series of inexplicable murders in 2019. While Lauren attended Lori's trial and sentencing in 2023, the hosts continue interviewing and investigating what's Hidden, just as they have been for four years. You can get caught up by listening to our full 'Beyond the Veil" season. LAUREN MATTHIAS worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in Boise, Idaho Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes and criminals to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah and in 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award and has been reporting with News Nation throughout the trial. She is the producer and editor of the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist. DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California.  Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.  Dr. Matthias is an adjunct assistant professor in the University of Nevada Las Vegas clinical psychology doctoral program. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on forensic assessments, clinical case formulation, and various therapeutic approaches to clinical work. Contact them at HiddenTrueCrimeInfo@gmail.com WEBSITE: https://hiddentruecrime.com/ TO SUPPORT: https://www.patreon.com/hiddentruecrime https://paypal.me/hiddentruecrime https://cash.app/$hiddenTruecrime. Our Sponsors:* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style* Check out Effecty and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.effecty.com* Check out Happy Mammoth and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://happymammoth.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hidden, a true crime podcast, a forensic psychologist and a journalist explore the hidden motives

0:09.2

behind unthinkable crimes while examining our deepest fears along the way. We dropped this week a large bombshell about Audrey Barataro, a witness in court at the Lori Valo de Bell trial.

0:35.0

And why don't we just play that right now?

0:39.0

Because we have Dr. John Mathias here with us tonight.

0:42.9

Yes, for those new to the station, or the station,

0:45.8

I used to work at a station for those new to the channel.

0:49.6

For those new to the channel, he is my husband, but he is also a clinical and forensic psychologist and brilliant I might add so we're going to have him talk to us about what this means for this case that is unending.

1:03.7

Lori has had one trial, but there is another one in Arizona

1:07.9

as well as Chad's trial next year in Idaho.

1:13.1

So let's listen really quickly to that bombshell

1:17.7

and we'll go from there.

1:21.9

I've verified this person and how they are connected to Audrey who I can say they spoke to.

1:30.0

I'm going to read it because there are many things this confidential source told me and I'm only allowed to say this part.

1:35.0

So I'm going to read it to make sure I have it right.

1:39.0

So a confidential source, again, that I have vetted, this confidential source again that I have vetted this confidential source spoke directly to

1:47.0

Audrey and this source tells me that Audrey told them that Lori told her told Audrey.

1:56.4

Lori told Audrey.

1:58.5

That Lori said to Audrey that Lori watched Joe Ryan take his last breath and that Lori enjoyed it.

2:08.0

Lori implied someone else was there when Joe took his last breath and that Lori was grateful Joe's

2:17.1

body was not found for days. That's all I can share right now.

2:23.4

For those new to this case, Joe Ryan is Lori Valo,

2:27.7

De Bell's third husband.

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