Welcome back to Beyond the Polls. This week I'll talk shutdown and maga politics with the Center for Renewing America's Eric Keatsal. Let's dive in.

Well, there are a lot of elements to the magaverse. It's kind of like if you're looking at the Marvel comic universe, you've got your

Avengers world, you've got your Ironman world, you've got your Dr. Strange world. We're going to

enter a world of the magaverse that many of you may not be familiar with, which is the thoughtful

reforming think tank world. And joining me as part of that is

Eric Tietzel, the CEO of the Center for Renewing America, one of the most prominent of the MAGA-oriented

think and do tanks in the United States. Eric, welcome to be on the polls. Thank you so much, Henry,

longtime listener, first-time guest. It's a real honor to be on the polls. Thank you so much, Henry. Longtime listener, first time guest.

It's a real honor to be here with you.

And I will spare you having to tell me which Marvel superhero I most remind you of.

It's easy.

You're so clean cut.

It's Captain America.

Oh, that's very tight.

You're doing battle with Red Skull, and just go tell your wife, Abby, that you've had this

thing with Peggy going on in your cat's life after you got unfrozen.

It'll be our secret.

Okay.

So tell people about the Center for Renewing America.

I know that as many of my listeners are people who want to say to me, you think you're a nerd, Henry. Why don't we go have beers sometime? But not everybody will have heard of you. Tell me, what is the institution? What do you do? How is it founded? You know, let's go. Let's go. We were founded by a man named Russ Vote, who your listeners may be familiar with.

That is one name I'm going to guess 100%.

If there is a single one of my listeners, except for those outside the continental United

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