Beyond the Oil Crisis: What’s actually blocking the transition?
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
Persephonica
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🗓️ 23 April 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
The Iran crisis continues to prove how dangerously dependent the global economy is on fossil fuels. But what will it actually take to move beyond them?
In this episode, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson look at what the latest oil shock continues to reveal. And they turn to the upcoming First Conference on the Transition Away from Fossil Fuels in Santa Marta, where governments, campaigners and other actors are gathering to build new relationships and explore new routes towards a just transition in an age of geopolitical instability.
Christiana speaks with former President of Ireland Mary Robinson and Ugandan climate activist Vanessa Nakate, who lay out the big structural barriers still slowing the shift. From debt traps that make fossil fuel extraction a financial necessity, to vested interests, and subsidies flowing in the wrong direction.
The evidence is clear: the transition is happening. The question is, will it be political machinations or economic urgency that determines how fast?
Learn More:
🌍 Explore the official page for the First Conference on Transitioning Away from Fossil Fuels, including its aims, format and participants
🛢️ Understand why the Strait of Hormuz matters so much through the IEA’s Oil Market Report hub
📜 Read the UNFCCC summary of the 2023 COP28 agreement, which for the first time called for “transitioning away from fossil fuels in energy systems”
⚡ See the figures behind the boom in renewables in BloombergNEF’s latest Energy Transition Investment Trends
🎤 Leave us your voice notes and questions for upcoming episodes on SpeakPipe
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Tom Ravikarnik. |
| 0:05.1 | And I'm Cristiana Figueres. |
| 0:06.4 | And I'm Paul Dickinson back from being lost. |
| 0:08.4 | This week we talk about the reasons why and in what way the Iran crisis is accelerating the transition away from fossil fuels. |
| 0:15.5 | And we discuss the upcoming conference in Santa Marta on transitioning away from fossil fuels. |
| 0:21.7 | Thanks for being here. |
| 0:30.1 | Okay, so this week we're looking at the ways in which what is happening in Iran has put the transition away from fossil fuels back at the top of the agenda, both politically and |
| 0:34.4 | economically. What we have seen is there is no way to manage development of countries |
| 0:38.7 | or economic growth on the back of these fossil fuels that are so volatile. The price spikes up and down. |
| 0:43.9 | You have no control of the flow of them out of the Middle East. So that's what we're going to talk about initially. |
| 0:48.7 | And then after that we're going to get into this conference that is happening in Santa Marte, in Colombia, |
| 0:53.5 | looking at phasing away from fossil fuels. |
| 0:55.8 | Which of you would like to kick us off with some framing comments about this enormous issue? |
| 1:00.0 | Paul, you would like to. |
| 1:01.2 | I would, because I'm back with you two and my favourite people, and I'm so pleased to have the opportunity to talk and talk and talk and talk. |
| 1:07.2 | But I love doing. |
| 1:08.4 | Look, the International Energy Agency says the walling disruption to flow to the Straits of Hormuz creates the largest oil supply disruption |
| 1:17.0 | in the history of the global oil market. And, you know, joking aside for a minute, |
| 1:23.0 | you know, airports are going to run out of air fuel and the planes will just stop flying and far more |
| 1:29.6 | significantly because most people at airports have got some money super you know the the most vulnerable |
| 1:34.7 | people we're talking hundreds of millions of people perhaps you know I don't know the number |
| 1:39.6 | are going to not be able to kind of get food or fertilizers. I mean, I'm looking forward to the day |
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