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13th Juror Podcast

Beyond the Jury Box: The Winston-Salem 5

13th Juror Podcast

Audiochuck

Society & Culture, Government, True Crime, Documentary, News

4.6897 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Decades after five Winston-Salem 5 were convicted of murdering Nathaniel Jones, new DNA testing, expert testimony, and a key witness’s recantation blow the case wide open. Follow the fight beyond the courtroom—through the Innocence Inquiry, a 2025 evidentiary hearing, stunning exonerations, and a jaw-dropping twist that leaves two men declared innocent still behind bars.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The verdicts had been read. The gavel had fallen. For the state, it was just as served. For the families of five teenage boys, it was their futures disappearing.

0:12.7

Rayshon Banner, Nathaniel Cawthon, Jamal Tolliver, Christopher Bryant, and Darrell Brayboy. Five names now bound together by a crime they swore they

0:23.6

didn't commit. Five boys who walked into a courtroom as children and walked out in shackles, labeled

0:31.8

murderers. Their mothers wept as deputies led them away, and the city of Winston-Salem tried to move on.

0:39.9

But behind the headlines and the words justice served, something was still unsettled.

0:46.8

Because even after the verdicts, the questions never stopped.

0:52.4

The judge's words that day still echo through the record, his voice

0:56.4

final and unforgiving. He told the courtroom he had seldom seen less willingness to accept

1:02.8

responsibility or more resistance to showing remorse. He said the blood of Nathaniel Jones would

1:09.5

forever be on these individuals' hands.

1:12.9

But was the reason they couldn't show remorse because they had nothing to be remorseful for?

1:19.3

The judge's words meant to condemn would take on a different meaning in the years that followed.

1:25.4

What if the truth wasn't in the courtroom that day at all? What if it

1:29.3

was still waiting to be uncovered in an evidentiary hearing more than two decades later? From the

1:37.0

start, the Winston-Salem Five maintained their innocence. But it wasn't until decades later that people

1:43.1

finally began to listen.

1:45.5

Experts challenged the evidence.

1:47.8

Psychologists dissected the interrogations, and the prosecution's star witness recanted her testimony.

1:54.9

The physical evidence, untouched for more than 20 years, was finally tested for DNA, and the results were shocking.

2:03.4

The jurors in the Winston-Salem five trials heard two carefully curated versions of the truth,

2:09.7

shaped by objections, rules, and what the court allowed them to see.

2:14.4

But what about the story they never heard?

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