You provided counsel to many presidents. What's the, what's your takeaway from doing that over

decades? Like, and you're, and you serve whoever's in the house. Like you've always, you know,

what do you, what's it like? What's it like the council? People ask me, it doesn't matter who is,

who's in office? Yes and no.

Yes, because I have my preferences.

But no, because I have to have a relationship with whoever's in the seat of power in order to get things done.

That's the reality.

With Donald Trump, he's a New Yorker.

And he took New York attitude into politics, took it to the South, and took it into the Republican Party,

who, you know, didn't see New York as Republican, as many of us are here. I'm a conservative, right?

I make no apologies for that. And I'll talk about the tension that I live in as a conservative.

But Donald Trump was who he has always been.

He is a master at creating an image.

Hey y'all.

Welcome to this episode of Lights on.

So grateful that you hear.

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