I'm not just talking about Rad Libs or Social Democrat abolitionists.

I'm talking about like actual abolitionist groups like critical resistance and

you know DSA may not have that reputation but we actually did pass a

resolution in favor of abolition at the last convention like people who have a communist horizon working on these short-term

demands in the while looking forward to the communist horizon you know yeah like I'm

not talking about fake abolitionists. I'm talking about yeah.

No, but I feel ones who might work with liberals on these specific demands which you know if you

were cops on the streets. I imagine would make it easier for us to fight for pretty much

everything that we want now no I mean that's the thing right the biggest tension of

course as a revolutionary is how do you how do you do you, how do you deal with the contradiction of the, on the one hand, the survival, right, the fact that like, not only in terms of like,

I mean, we're living in this fucked up world

of like racist police and state violence

as COVID is unfolding and 400,000 Americans have died.

I think one in 800 has been black, right? So that kind of survival

versus like the revolutionary vision, right? Like how do you kind of marry the two? how do the two come together?

So totally understandable, right?

But I think part of this, I think what has happened

is that a lot of like the, I'm like,

I'm like the abolitionist folks are like being drawn too much by the social democratic demands right because let's look at let's look at how

defund has how it has unraveled right and I would ask them where where have where has

defund become a revolution or almost proto-revolutionary battleground right I

mean unless you're burning down some city council hearings, like, I mean, all you're going to be drawn into is just like these countless city council meetings where you are going to present why your vision of cutting 100 million and not 80 million is better.

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