Hey, oh, oh, oh, come on and take a seat on the virtual couch.

Hey everybody, welcome to episode 380 of the virtual couch.

I'm your host, Tony Overbay.

I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified mindful habit coach, writer, speaker, husband, father, four, and creator of the path back.

And I want to, calling all therapists is what I want to say. If you are interested in hearing about

maybe a new program that is coming up that I am working with someone that I am very, I realize I'm

being so vague, someone that I'm very excited to work with, someone that I've worked with in the

past, but we are, we are starting to kick around some ideas of

something that I think will be very beneficial to therapists. I know a lot of therapists listen to the

podcast. So I'm in a pre-production or pre-planning phase of a course of a program that I think

will be very beneficial to therapists. Therapists who are looking at maybe doing a little bit

more coaching. So if you are interested, please reach out to me at contact at tonyoverbay.com

and I will start putting more information together. And then if you are interested in the

Pathback, go to Pathback recovery.com and you'll find more information about how to get rid of

unhealthy coping mechanisms. People who turn to porn is an unhealthy coping mechanism. And then I would just

highly encourage you to check out waking up to narcissism and murder on the couch and all kinds

of things that are in the link tree link in the show notes. But let's get to today's show.

I'm really excited about this. I'm going to try to put a few different pieces together.

I want to talk about one of my favorite things is our brains' adorable desire for certainty, where we want to just know. We just want to know and feel like we

just have certainty, that things make sense in the world, because without that certainty,

we can have a lot of discomfort, and discomfort can lead to anxiety. And then what do we do

with that anxiety? Well, sometimes we turn to unhealthy coping mechanisms or sometimes we just ruminate

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