It's difficult lightning to catch that, Kristiana.

Well, hang around me and you'll get the light thing.

I think I just got one down the back of my spine.

Hi, friends, how nice to see both of you.

Listeners may not realize this, but we have not been getting together every week recently

because we pre-recorded a bunch of episodes.

But today we're back.

It's the beginning of September.

It's the beginning of what we have come to realize is the most intense period of the year for those who

work on climate. So are you both ready for it? How are you feeling? I'm fascinated by the

potential of being the inside cop official podcast of the extraordinary global gathering in Bellem. So that feels like a huge

opportunity and exciting duty. And yeah, I'm sort of watching, I don't know what the television

equivalent of doom scrolling is, but watching the Oval Office get painted with more and more

gold is increasingly bizarre. Watching troops on the streets of various cities is increasingly bizarre,

watching targeted attacks on the renewables industry, poor old Orsted, build a wind farm,

and then they're not allowed to open it.

And then unbelievably, ice agents go and invade a massive battery car manufacturer, Hyundai, LG.

It all seems a bit like sort of desperate efforts to try and get in the way

of the energy transformation. And then at the other end of the scale, the whole world seems to be

united around the energy transformation. And I'm going to give my last word of huge excitement and

optimism to Heather Cox Richardson. We don't normally big up other podcasts, but there's a brilliant interview with her on Pod Save America. And if you look at the historical context of what's happening, I do believe our oppositional forces in the United States are much more brittle than we realise. And that's, of course, for optimism in my heart. So, Christiana, that was a bit of a tour to force there from Paul, covering everything from sort of like podcast recommendations to a bit of a, you know, walk through the book of revelations in terms of what's happening in the US. But how do you see what's happened over this northern summer? I mean, it's been, it's been a lot of problems, it feels like to me. We've had heat waves. We've had breakdowns of international treaties on plastics where we thought we were going to meet agreements. There's been a lot of headwinds, it feels to me. Is that how you see it?

In addition to the US administration, yes. In addition. Yeah. But I did want to get in just a little

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