Have you ever considered the difference between pain and suffering? Pain is inevitable,

suffering doesn't have to be. It's psychological and caused by the propensity we all have to get

confused about our fundamental identity. We are not who we think we are. All the labels we

use to describe ourselves, including things like our history, our jobs, our beliefs and so on,

are a vast oversimplification. We hugely limit ourselves and believing that we're just this

cluster of ideas and concepts.

And when we do create a psychological identity, we attach our self-worth to it inevitably,

which then causes suffering.

Now, this is a deep but also vitally important topic, and today I'm discussing it with Peter Crone.

It was pinpointing that experience of a human being, which is the eye that we think we are

that is separate from everything else.

You just said there in the eye that we think we are separate from everything else.

And the stories we form are all around this, this eye or the me, do you think, you know, the suffering that most of us experience beyond, let's say, the pain that is inherent in life, is born of that identifying with that, that I am and the feeling of separation, the feeling of being

separate?

Yeah, 100%.

Like, and you articulated it beautifully.

And I know from what you've discussed, you've done a lot of work in that realm or like,

whether we call it non-dualism or understanding the

difference between sort of an identity or a persona that we think ourselves to be versus the essence

perhaps of who we are. So yeah, so you articulated it perfectly. All the suffering, and I would

distinguish suffering from pain as you did, pain is really physiological. It's unavoidable as a sentient

organism. We're going to

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