Beyond Resilience — How to Become Shatterproof

The Art of Manliness

Society & Culture, Education, Philosophy

4.7 • 14.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Resilience is often touted as the end all, be all of coping with life's challenges and setbacks. But my guest knows from her studies, executive coaching, and her own life that sometimes resilience just isn't enough. You need an even more durable source of strength. Dr. Tasha Eurich is an organizational psychologist and researcher and the author of Shatterproof: How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos. Today on the show, Tasha explains why the concept of resilience rose to prominence in the 2010s, how resilience can be improved a little as a skill, but is largely an exhaustible capacity, and how you know when you're hitting your "resilience ceiling." We then talk about the more sustainable skillset and strength of becoming shatterproof. We discuss the potential to grow forward instead of simply bouncing back, the psychological needs that have to be met to become shatterproof, and research-backed tools for thriving in life instead of just surviving.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0	Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast.
0:12.0	Resilience is often touted as the end-all, be-all of coping with life's challenges and setbacks.
0:16.9	But my guest knows from her studies, executive coaching, and her own life that sometimes resilience just isn't enough.
0:24.3	Dr. Tasha Yurek is an organizational psychologist and researcher and the author of Shatterproof, How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos.
0:32.2	Today in the show, Tasha explains why the concept of resilience rose to prominence in the 2010s,
0:37.4	how resilience
0:37.9	can be improved a little as a skill, but is largely an exhaustable capacity, and how you know
0:42.6	when you're hitting your resilience ceiling. We then talk about the more sustainable skill set
0:47.1	and strength of becoming shatterproof. We discussed the potential to grow forward instead of
0:51.1	simply bouncing back, the psychological needs that have to be met to become
0:54.6	Shatterproof, and research back tools for thriving in life instead of just surviving. After the show's
0:59.9	over, check at our show notes at AIM.is slash shatterproof. All right, Tasha Eurik, welcome back to the show.
1:20.7	Thanks for having me back, Brett.
1:22.4	So we had you on a couple years ago to talk about your book Insight, which is all about
1:26.9	self-awareness and becoming
1:29.0	more self-aware. You had a new book out called Shatterproof that makes the case that resilience
1:34.9	sometimes isn't enough to cope with all the chaos that life can bring. And what's interesting
1:41.4	is that as you started to research this book a few years ago, your life was upended by debilitating health issues.
1:49.0	And then your research about resilience and thriving in chaos, it really started to become me search.
1:54.2	So what happened to your health?
1:55.3	What was going on in your life at that time?
1:57.7	So the very short story is I've had a lifetime of medical issues that have
	...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Previous episode | Next episode

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The Art of Manliness, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of The Art of Manliness and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.