Welcome to Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School of Theology here at Biola University.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty, and Professor of Christian Ethics.

And I'm your co-host Sean McDow, Professor of Christian Apologetics.

We're here with our guest, Dr. George Yancey.

We've had Dr. Yancey on before, not that long ago, and he's back because he has a brand new book that's

out that we want to we want to spend a lot of time talking about it's a super

insightful very very encouraging very hopeful book entitled Beyond a very

hopeful book entitled Beyond Racial Division,

a unifying alternative to color blindness and anti-racism.

Dr. Georgianci's professor of sociology at Baylor University. I spent many years at the

University of North Texas before going over to Baylor. He's published, widely published,

uh, on race and religion, uh, and lots of other topics in his field of sociology.

So Dr. Yancey, thank you so much for joining us for part one of this conversation.

Thanks, thanks for having.

Now in your book, you start out your book in a really transparent way

because you talk a bit about your own personal journey in writing about race.

In fact, I've read both.

You wrote two great books on race about 10, 15 years ago.

I've read both of those.

And then as you describe it in this current book you stopped writing about race.

Why did you stop and why have you taken up the subject again at present?

Yeah, so I think about 15, 16 years ago, I just came to the conclusion that I've said everything I had to say on race.

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