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You're listening to The Derbacterys, a production of Duck Tape Then Beer,

with additional support from Kuat Racks because you love your bike,

athletic greens, the daily drink for healthier you, and kicking horse coffee, wake up and kick ass.

Hey Lauren, hey cord, you're a climber. We're all outdoors people.

And there's a lot that is going on in the world. There's a lot of despair. There's climate change

to freak out about. There's war, there's hopelessness. And for a lot of us getting outside,

riding our bike, climbing, getting up, getting some perspective, it's often just such a needed

escape from all of that, just the chance to get away, to breathe, to put the phone down, to put

the news down. And that feels so good, it feels so good. And it also can sometimes feel really selfish.

We have often this privilege to be able to set things down. And I know that you've gone back

and forth with that relationship, particularly with climbing, of, you know, how it can sometimes

feel selfish. And I'm wondering if you can tell us about the weekend that you just had in your

somebody that made you think about that relationship and how sometimes the outdoors and climbing

can be more than an escape and it can actually be a remedy or a way of healing. Some of the trauma

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