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Hey everybody, it's you off from the Vergescast.

On this week's interview episode, we have a super interesting guest, Ethan Brown.

It's a CEO of Beyond Meat.

They're one of the big companies out there that are making meat from plants.

You probably know them, you probably know impossible foods.

Beyond Meat just IPO, it's been a rocket ship, a success story.

They're making burgers with Carl's Jr.

You can buy Beyond Meat patties in the grocery store.

We talked Ethan really deeply about the science of how these burgers are constructed from

plants, how they're different from impossible foods, how the company got started, where the

investments come in from, and where they're going next.

And really, the future of how meat should work, which is a wild thing to say on a

tech podcast.

But I assure you, this is a lot of tech, a lot of science.

Check it out, it's Ethan Brown, CEO of Beyond Meat.

So I'm here with Beyond Meat, CEO of Ethan Brown.

Thank you for joining me Ethan.

Oh, thank you for having me, I really appreciate it.

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