Thanks for listening to Reasonable Doubt on Podcast One.

This is Beyond a Reasonable Doubt with your hosts, Mark Garagas and Gary Smith.

Well, we welcome to BRD and with GPS and myself.

And we swapped out the big show, who's already downloaded. We're doing a BRD because we're committed to trying to keep as much normal see as we can.

And it's quite a day today.

But we've picked, we're going to go from the sublime to the ridiculous.

And from the sublime, we'll start off with a, there was, I believe 11 so-called oath keepers who were indicted.

It was unsealed for seditious conspiracy. And interestingly, you know, the history of seditious conspiracy in America is, you have to go back, I suppose, to the blind chic for the last time there was a seditious conspiracy that was brought back in the, I believe in the 90s.

Then prior to that, famously, there was the Puerto Rican gang is what was referred to where the shooting in the storming of the capitals actually before I was born.

And then prior to that, I believe Tokyo rose, which was when I was growing up was kind of a famous iconic or infamous, I should say, women who had gave aid and comfort to the war effort during World War II.

And then, frankly, the Japanese, interestingly, Barack Obama, I believe in 2017, commuted the sentence of the last remaining Puerto Rican member of that group.

And prior to that, Harry Truman, and that group, I believe, had made an attempt on Truman's life, the Puerto Rican group.

And that, Harry Truman had either commuted or pardoned Tokyo Rose. So it's an interesting situation that we have these seditious conspiracies and then fast forward decades later, and there are the political wins have kind of changed.

And then you get commutations or pardons, just something interesting.

And by the way, we had talked on the big show about this gentleman, I forget his first name, but his last name is apps, who's kind of making right.

He is quite a figure on the right right now.

And interestingly, we did our show about apps and kind of did a deep dive on that the day before these charges were announced.

Now, we're going to talk about the one the head of the oath keepers who was indicted, whose lawyer was on, I believe CNN today.

Interestingly, we had, I had posited or had speculated, like I think I prefaced it with rank speculation that the raid people were parsing out the words of him and the and the Twitter by Kinzinger, that it struck me that a more logical kind of explanation for what had happened is he was on the FBI's most wanted list for approximately six months, then remove people say why he was an FBI.

I think today this unsealing kind of gives some credence to the idea I was suggesting is he was on it.

They can now say he didn't go any didn't do this, he didn't do that. I think he was also if I'm not mistaken, also from Arizona also affiliated with one of these groups of the

I'll groups right the Phoenix chapter of the oath deepers at least for a time, he was the president of that chapter and that's something we've been slowly kind of pointing out every time we talk about Ray over the past few months.

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