Beyoncé, inflation and the case for climate optimism
The Europeans | European news, politics and culture
Katy Lee and Dominic Kraemer
4.8 • 162 Ratings
🗓️ 22 June 2023
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
It's easy to feel doomed when it comes to climate change. In her latest book, the Italian political scientist Nathalie Tocci makes the case for cautious optimism about Europe's climate and energy policies. We chat to her this week about the opportunities and challenges of the European Green Deal, as well as how to interpret the death last week of Silvio Berlusconi. We're also talking about a push to ban unpaid internships across the EU, and whether or not we should be blaming Beyoncé for stubbornly high inflation in Sweden.
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Nathalie is the director of the Istituto Affari Internazionali in Rome. You can follow her on Twitter here and find more information about her latest book, 'A Green and Global Europe', here.
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00:22 Amsterdam heat and breakfast tears
03:44 Good Week: Interns
10:49 Bad Week: Beyoncé
21:31 Interview: Nathalie Tocci on the case for climate optimism in Europe
36:32 Isolation Inspiration: Roasted fennel and The Council of Egypt
40:02 Happy Ending: (Everyone's) Free-To-Wear Sunscreen
Producers: Katy Lee and Wojciech Oleksiak
Mixing and mastering: Wojciech Oleksiak
Music: Jim Barne and Mariska Martina
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, Dominic, hello Dominic, hello listeners. |
| 0:24.8 | This is Katie reluctantly reporting for duty from Paris. |
| 0:28.8 | I regret to report that I am back from my trip to Naples and Sicily. |
| 0:32.5 | Well, it sounds like the holiday brought you back grumpier than ever. |
| 0:35.2 | It's good to hear. |
| 0:36.5 | What's that supposed to mean? You're lucky |
| 0:38.5 | there's a podcast at all this week of all the holidays that I have ever taken in my life. |
| 0:43.4 | This is the trip, but I really, really didn't want to come back, Dominic. Oh, I'm sorry for you. |
| 0:49.8 | I'm like totally, well, no, actually, I'm not sorry for you no I was stuck here in the Netherlands which actually |
| 0:55.7 | was the warmest place in the whole of Europe since we last recorded for a few days which I felt |
| 1:04.2 | like I just had to say after you were like mouthing off about how awful the weather is here all the |
| 1:09.8 | time and actually I wanted to point out |
| 1:12.9 | that we've had a drought for a month, so there's been no rain. So ignoring the climate apocalypse for a |
| 1:18.2 | moment, I just wanted to say, ha, you're wrong. It's not raining all the time. I stand corrected. |
| 1:22.9 | I knew I'd live to regret that comment. It is now raining, fortunately, which is quite a relief for my |
| 1:29.1 | garden. But how was the holiday? I mean, let's just put it this way. I cried over breakfast |
| 1:35.3 | one morning because it was so good. Like, it had homemade ricotta and fruit from next door and honey |
| 1:43.2 | from the neighbours and the woman from the pensione |
| 1:47.0 | that's kind of in where we were staying, she said, you know, it just makes me so happy to see |
| 1:51.5 | you this happy with your breakfast. And I started crying. I got a bit hysterical. Oh, dear. |
| 1:58.0 | But apart from that, it was great. I'd spent the entire week eating and swimming, mostly. |
| 2:03.1 | That sounds perfect. You were in Naples and Sicily, right? |
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