Between Two Widows

Thanks For Asking

Feelings & Co.

Society & Culture, Personal Journals, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7 • 13.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 November 2022

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Michael Allio was a fan favorite on Katie Thurston’s season of “The Bachelorette,” applauded for the vulnerability he showed as he talked about losing his wife, Laura, to cancer and raising his son James without his mom. Losing a partner to cancer? Raising a young son on your own? Sounds familiar! Michael came across Nora’s TED Talk shortly after Laura died, and when he reached out to the podcast, we knew we had to get these two on a call together. That call became a TTFA Premium episode. Now, if you’re a Bachelor Nation fan, you know that Michael is on the current season of “Bachelor in Paradise,” where he’s been speaking to his grief and loss and the difficulty of dating again in general … but especially on national television. We’re re-airing this episode in our main feed here today for all of you Bachelor Nation fans who want some more insight into Michael’s ~*journey*~ (yes, that’s a Bachelor joke). If you like it, and want more bonus content like this, sign up for TTFA Premium at www.ttfa.org/premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi everybody, it's Nora McEnerney from Terrible Thanks for Asking.
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0:56.6	I'm Nora McEnerney and this is Terrible Thanks for Asking.
1:02.5	Out of my identity as you probably know is that I am a remarried widow.
1:07.9	My first husband Aaron died in November of 2014 and if you are sick of hearing me talk
1:12.6	about this, imagine how sick I am of knowing it and living it and having that be a real
1:19.1	part of my life.
1:22.1	Fall is difficult for me, it brings up all of those experiences of loss.
1:26.7	I feel it deeply in my bones but there's not a day that goes by where I don't think
1:32.6	about Aaron where I don't miss him where I don't say his name out loud and I have that
1:39.7	life that I miss and I have a life I love.
1:42.1	I have a husband, a current husband, his name is Matthew who I love and having those two
1:49.2	parts of my life, having those two big big loves in my life has been hard for me to reconcile
1:56.2	and it's been really hard for other people to reconcile.
2:00.6	I wrote a whole book called No Happy Endings about this, about what feels like this dichotomy
2:06.8	even though to me they are two strands to the same thread, this is all life, it's all
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